God - The Ultimate "Something From Nothing"

Believers will often use the 'something from nothing' line in debate with atheists, which when applied to atheism is not just a complete fallacy but also a classic attempt at psychological redirection. Neither atheists nor scientists have ever claimed any 'something from nothing', in fact it is the believer that themselves lay stake in this claim from the get-go, with their very god. The atheist, in leiu of any theistic belief, rejects this notion outright with demand for empirical evidence before belief (rejection of faith).

The common answer is, god has always existed. This itself goes against the very nature of causuality (the first cause argument being a huge fallacy anyway, contridicting itself by stating any uncaused first cause at all), and also places the believer in the indefensible position of explaining how space/time/matter cannot have just simply existed when all the while this magical being that is omnipotent CAN just simply exist. If one admits to the latter, then one must also admit that the former is just as logical if not more so, thereby defeating any argument the believer might have in this regard.

Any other answer than the above openly admits not just a something from nothing but also implies a magical, all powerful nature to this something. This is above and beyond any natural formation, to the point that to believe in this said god and to deny established science is plain absurd. To say that an all powerful being was either created out of nothing OR that this being always has existed, both of these, besides being ouside the scope of rationality, are far less credulous than anything of natural means.

Let us remember that all things outside of natural, descriptive law, have failed so far in terms of actuality, that is to say all things supernatural have failed, and therefore have less than hypothesis status in scientific terms, so to affirm the supernatural while denying the natural is a direct contridiction. Simply put, it is not a viable answer. These gods, these somethings from nothings, are themselves nothing, they are merely our perceptual explanations while in lack of any higher knowledge, our attempt to avoid the theistically dreaded statement of uncertainty. We are perfectly able to combat this uncertianity outside any means of defaulting answers, those that cannot overcome this are those that deny established science and hinder true progress.

That which is observable, has established fact, and repeatable results, is that which has validity over any god, for any god has none of the above. That which has explanation has a 'something' of orgin, that which does not is left to come from 'nothing'. The god(s) of the people are the very something from this nothing, they are the nothing itself encompassing the belief. Those of us that have seen past this nothing call ourselves atheists